Debate!

[shayuko.livejournal.com]

May Debate has now officially started ended!

The topic: Hagrid: A danger to the students or a loyal and trustworthy teacher?

The sides:
-Slytherin & Hufflepuff, 'danger to the students'
-Ravenclaw & Gryffindor, 'loyal and trustworthy teacher'

The points:
Your first qualifying comment earns you 10 points and 5 knuts, every qualifying comment after that will earn you 5 points and 2 knuts.

The rules: can be found here

If you have any questions or concerns, please leave a comment to yesterday's post (here). This post is for debating only.

Have fun!

-Marije

Comments

[jupluna.livejournal.com]

Yes...and at 13 I was really listening to my teachers more then I was listening to peer presure. If I set something on fire in a chemisty class...I would have been repremanded for it...but the teacher would have gotten in trouble to for not watching what I was doing. Hell I could even say I was following his lead since he set the desks on fire almost every day.

Hagrid is a danger to himself and others...if people want to learn they need to learn by word and by action...if thats the case Hagrid has taught me that it is ok to raise deadly spiders...you just can't be caught by someone that is already killing the students, you can break the law by raising Dragons, you can break the law by creating new creatures, you can still use magic even if your wand is broken, and it is ok to make other people lie for you so that you can get away with everything.

Juppy of Slytherin

[pfc-rat.livejournal.com]

You know, at 6 years old my mother told me not to touch the stove... many times. Despite her best efforts at watching only TWO little kids, I still burned my hand on the stove, but you know what? I never touched it again. Even knowing that it would hurt me, I still did it, and my mother, who didn't have 30 kids to supervise and teach, wasn't able to protect me from it. This doesn't make her a bad mother any more than it makes Hagrid a bad teacher for the idiotic decisions of a single student.

[jupluna.livejournal.com]

That maybe so...but with Hagrid doing the "do as I say not as I do" type of teaching he is confusing his students even more.

Juppy of Slytherin

[pfc-rat.livejournal.com]

What choice does he have? He's far more familiar and comfortable with the animals than the students are, and has 10 times the physical prowess and stamina with which to defend himself if necessary, so emphasizing certain precautions to students far more than he has to personally excercise would be very advisable, in my opinion. They're not all half-giants, after all.

[aoyana.livejournal.com]

By your own statements, Hagrid would have been just a rebellious teenager at the time he was raising spiders. Also in the 'chemistry class' example, students are given labs with prior warnings on them that chemicals are caustic, poisonous, etc. and only the students in my chemistry class are reprimanded for any danger they put themselves in, despite that my teacher literally sits behinds his desk and eats skittles while we use ancient bunsen burners. Draco's 'peer pressure' also seems non-existant. He chose to show-off in front of his group of friends by ignoring warnings set before him.

-Megan, Gryffindor

[idleclockwork.livejournal.com]

Draco Malfoy had some part to play in the incident, yes. However by introducing the students to potentially dangerous creatures such as Buckbeak without any restraints, it is Hagrid who is also to blame and Hagrid who introduced the students to the dangerous creature in the first place. It is in is impaired judgements that Hagrid is a danger to the students. While your chemistry teacher sits behind his desk, your chemistry teacher also has taught you what you need to know and has judged you capable. Hagrid introduced the students to a highly dangerous creature in their first lesson without first learning of their capabilites. His ill judgements lead him to be a danger to the students.

Kim, Slytherin

[erinypies.livejournal.com]

If Draco, however, took into consideration what his Professor was saying, he wouldn't have ended up in the hospital wing. He was at his own fault. As I stated many times before, he did give all information needed. Draco should of respected what his instructor was saying. Afterall, Hagrid was the Teacher. Draco also should of realized that any knowledge a professor passes on, is most likely important.


erin*gryffindor

[pfc-rat.livejournal.com]

Students are being introduced to all sorts of dangerous plants, potions, spells and animals all the time, and are getting injured. Do we hold the teachers consistently to blame because the students can't excercise the proper self-restraint to use the information properly? If Mad-eye taught the students about the unforgiveables and someone actually went out and used them, would you blame the teacher for teaching it to them, or the student who has *gasp* self control and free will?

Melissa, Gryff