[identity profile] bel-mulderleia.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] hogwartsishome
Okay, so what is up with the Puff-bashing in our fresh batch of applications on the Platform??

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrowr.

:: vexed ::

That is all... I had to vent... I can't stand that stuff...


Bel

Edit: These:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/platform_934/65452.html#cutid1

http://www.livejournal.com/community/platform_934/65668.html#cutid1

Date: 2005-01-24 03:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caustique.livejournal.com
Arg, I hate Puff-bashers. Actually, I hate house-bashers in general.

*Goes to investigate*

Date: 2005-01-24 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coaltrain-613.livejournal.com
As a puff...I'm not mad or upset...I just wish people would get to know THE HOUSES before judging them.

I too remember me thinking really negative about the Slytherin house but I realize that the people in that house are pretty awesome guys/gals. I'm not very articulate but hey lets just have some loving!!!!!
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Date: 2005-01-24 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boley.livejournal.com
I agree so much!

And Im so glad that Im not the only one that saw red when I read that comment. Fer shame to them!

Thank you for making our angst known... **hugs**

Andrea

Date: 2005-01-24 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maegwin-of-hern.livejournal.com
But then again, what's the whole point of the question? I mean, you could always say "I'm not brave enough for Gryffindor, I'm not ambitious enough for Slytherin, I'm not smart enough for Ravenclaw", but what do you say if you don't feel fitting into Hufflepuff? "I'm not nice enough"?
The only thing that really upsets me is when people confuse "nice" with "dumb".

Date: 2005-01-24 07:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mysticowl.livejournal.com
but what do you say if you don't feel fitting into Hufflepuff? "I'm not nice enough"?

I said I wasn't hardworking enough, because to me that's one of the defining Hufflepuff qualities, at least that's the sense I got from the books. And rather than classifying all puffs as nice, I think they're supposed to be more tolerant and accepting than any other of the four Houses. If I think back to the book Puffs, like Susan Bones, I see them all as people who are commonly described as "decent" and "backbone of society," you know?

Date: 2005-01-24 07:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maegwin-of-hern.livejournal.com
I hadn't thought of hardworking before sending that comment, sorry. But I see what you mean with tolerance. What I found kind of harsh even in the books was one of the Sorting Hat's songs, which said "...and Hufflepuff took all the rest." That sounded as if we were some sort of trash bin, taking whatever didn't fit into any of the other houses. So I suppose that some readers think along the same lines, which is why they react like "OMG! Not Hufflepuff, not Hufflepuff, please God, don't send me there!"

Date: 2005-01-24 07:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mysticowl.livejournal.com
"Said Hufflepuff, 'I'll take the lot and treat them just the same.'" That should be mostly verbatim. I didn't find that harsh at all, it made me respect Hufflepuff more than any of the other Founders. I read it as meaning that even the Great Gryffindor and Ravenclaw were guilty of what we usually assign as Slytherin's great crime - discrimination and intolerance. The only difference is Slytherin based it on blood, and G and R on bravery and smarts. But the idea is the same, isn't it? That some kids aren't good enough. And only Hufflepuff said they all deserve a chance. She's the best of the lot in my book.

Date: 2005-01-24 07:29 am (UTC)

Date: 2005-01-24 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caustique.livejournal.com
No cursing, please. It's against HiH rules, and like I told one of the Gryffindors, I don't want to take off any points... especially when I understand just where you're coming from -_-;;

Date: 2005-01-24 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soleil-luna.livejournal.com
Ooops sorry. Didn't know that. Heh heh..

What in the effing world is that about?

And completely cancel the reason because I got confused on where I posted. I thought this was the puff common room. Sorry. x.x

Date: 2005-01-24 03:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] it-burns-us.livejournal.com
I know it isn't all the applicant said, but the name "Hufflepuff" annoys me too. In my opinion, it is an annoying word. It isn't the only word I find annoying... words like "moist" for example also sound obnoxious.

Date: 2005-01-24 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boley.livejournal.com
words like "moist" for example also sound obnoxious

That cracks me up!! hehehehe.

I know hufflepuff is kind of a odd name, not nearly as cool sounding as slytherin or any of the other houses for that matter, but...well, we only have JKR to blame. Maybe we should write a letter to change the name to "Bad-a** Badgers" Or....something else. Hmm..

Andrea//Bad-a** Badgers

Date: 2005-01-24 06:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maegwin-of-hern.livejournal.com
"Bad-a** Badgers"

Hehehehe Good idea :D

Date: 2005-01-24 03:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chellemod.livejournal.com
I think the first application listed is a misinterpretation. She is one a best friend of mine and that's how I know she really did not mean it to be offensive. She's changing it now to be less offensive, since her intentions were not at all to offend Hufflepuffs. Call me biased since she's my friend, but we all do slip up and things just come out the wrong way at times.

However, I do believe you're right on the second one though. The second bashing appeared quite poignant.

My thoughts: If you truly think they're out of line, you need to let them know. Tell them in the app that one of the rules is no house bashing and they are directly violating that policy. However, keep in mind that things can be misinterpreted and not everyone is trying to be malicious.

Secondly- To those that are offended by house-bashing: Yes, you do have a right to be. Yet as cliche as it sounds, you shouldn't let it rattle you. If you're damned proud of the house you're in, what difference does it make what others say of that house? All houses get misinterpreted for meanings, as well as made fun of. Just have pride to be in the house you're in, regardless of what others comments. Their opinion or stupidity really shouldn't matter to you.

Image

Date: 2005-01-24 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boley.livejournal.com
I didnt wanna reply on the app, but I saw your reply to me to the girl that said something about "poor little puffs" and to my defense i say this: I quit smoking 3 days ago. Im edgy. Sorry. :-)

And to your response, we know that not everyones being malicious, but somethings are said that just dont need to be said. There is no reason to say you dont want to be in a house because of its name. Thats just reeks of ignorance or maliciousness (if thats a word).
But your right, Im proud of my house, Im fully aware that this is all for fun, therefore, Im not going to loose sleep over it. Just let my side be known on here because I need a smoke and I cant, so the computer is being my nicotine patch at the moment.

/rambling.

Date: 2005-01-24 03:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marciamarcia.livejournal.com
Welcome to club, Puffers. Sucks, don't it. I think we should join together to form an alliance against this. Maybe call it the Investigative Municipal Organization of Kids Unhappy with Roles On which Kindred judge them (I.M.O.K.U.R.O.K).

Seriously though, this is obviously a problem, and not just for those of us who are evil. Mods, can we include some sort of statement about each house on the 9_34 info page? Just something so people think with a little bit more open of a mind.

Date: 2005-01-24 03:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marciamarcia.livejournal.com
maggie//Slytherin (the house with the bad-ass name and the annoying tendency toward homicide)

Date: 2005-01-24 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chellemod.livejournal.com
*adds Maggie to her list of favorite people EVAR*

-Chelle of Slytherin.

Date: 2005-01-24 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caustique.livejournal.com
I'll bring it up with Bunny.

I like the alliance idea, by the way. ^-^

Date: 2005-01-24 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tangerinesidhe.livejournal.com
Being that I harbor a lot of love for Hufflepuffs, it annoyed me that people were housebashing.

I really try hard to sort people into houses based on the positive traits of those houses. There have been multiple times when people have politely said they didn't think they belonged in Hufflepuff because they really don't know what the house is about, and I've known that they are Puffs and told them why.

It's really disappointing that so many people hold so many false impressions of what it means to be in each house. Looks like some people need to stop listening to Hagrid and his "dudders" comments.

--Destiny, Gryffindor

off topic, I know!

Date: 2005-01-24 07:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nuka-cola.livejournal.com
but but but...

I don't recall Hagrid ever insulting the Hufflepuffs. And honestly, house bashing isn't a very Hagrid sort of thing to do. Unless he's talking about Slytherin, that is. :)

The only comment directly about Hufflepuff that I can recall was in Philosopher's Stone (or Sorcerer's Stone) when Harry is talking to Hagrid in Diagon Alley about Draco's comments regarding the wizarding world. There might have been others coming from Hagrid but this is the one that seems to be (mis)quoted the most, and I can't remember any others (correct me if there are). The exchange actually goes like this:

'And what are Slytherin and Hufflepuff?'

'School houses. There's four. Everyone says Hufflepuff are a lot o' duffers, but-"

'I bet I'm in Hufflepuff,' said Harry gloomily.

'Better Hufflepuff than Slytherin,' said Hagrid darkly. 'There's not a single witch or wizard who went bad who wasn't in Slytherin. You-Know-Who was one.'


So Hagrid was actually going to defend Hufflepuff against "everyone" else's opinion that they are "a lot o' duffers" - he never called them that himself. I'd like to know what was going to follow that "but" before Harry interrupted him. (Though I find the idea that every single witch and wizard who ever went bad was in Slytherin to be a bit ludicrous - look at Peter Pettigrew, for one, even if no one else knew he was bad. Then again, Hagrid is prone to exaggeration.)

Er... just wanted to defend Hagrid. :) Even if he did insult Slytherin. But let's face it - Slytherin bashing is canon because so many of the canon Slytherins do not play very nicely.

Manda / Ravenclaw

Am I breaking more rules?

Date: 2005-01-24 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] knightofthewolf.livejournal.com
Am I breaking more rules by posting in defense of myself? Actually, to be quite honest, it's a pretty stupid thing to do, and there's not much defense for what I said. I, um...said something stupid? Is it possible that you've all never say something you didn't mean to before? It wasn't meant as an insult, I don't know that much about Hufflepuff, and I was wrong to make any judgement at all on it...nor did I know that it would be such a grevious offense. But I'd like to apologize again for overstepping any of those boundaries and thank everyone for keeping me in line. I'm a little new to this. Sorry again.

-Kat

Re: Am I breaking more rules?

Date: 2005-01-24 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boley.livejournal.com
Yours wasnt as bad as the others in question, but none the less it was kind of a dumb thing to say. Nonetheless, apology accepted, and the fact that you risked breaking house rules (which im not sure if this is one, but eh well) to appologize marks you back up in my book. Mad props to you. :-)

Welcome to HiH.
Andrea//Bad a** Badgers

Date: 2005-01-24 05:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mysticowl.livejournal.com
Yeah, voting on applications that were posted after my sorting made me feel guilty for putting Hufflepuff in as the House I don't fit into, although I did it because I don't think I'm good enough (in the sense that I'm working towards having the qualities Hp prizes, but know I don't have them right now).

Maybe the question "which House doesn't fit you" just shouldn't be on the app at all. After all, it's the qualities people possess that are reflected in the app that help us decide where to put them. What does it matter which qualities they don't have, then?

Date: 2005-01-24 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duncanatrix.livejournal.com
That's an excellent point. Whenever there's house bashing it's on that question. I inadvertently made a "house bashing" comment towards Slytherin. I don't feel I'd fit there, not because I dislike them but because I don't have their qualities--I'm not ambitious or cunning; I don't possess the things that are prized in Slytherins.

And that's what the question is for.

What if it were rephrased? To, "What qualities do you feel you DO NOT possess?" or something of that nature.

My goodness...Platform 9 3/4 is turning into a real train wreck.

Image

Date: 2005-01-24 05:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mysticowl.livejournal.com
I actually think that the problem isn't just house-bashing, but house-pushing as well. What does it matter what qualities they do not possess when sorting depends on the qualities they do possess and the questions they answered indicate that? I think we should get rid of that question altogether.

Alina // Ravenclaw (sorry, forgot to indicate my house in my first comment)

Date: 2005-01-24 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duncanatrix.livejournal.com
Hm, that's true. One of those apps even seemed kind of Gryffindor-pushy to me, which I noted, but there's always someone who will see pushiness on an application...even an honest answer to a question can be viewed as pushing, but in some cases ("I would totally bust in there bravely and save my friend cause I have courage like nothin' else! Did I mention I'm valiant?") it's really obvious.

If only we had a sorting hat to see into people's heads...barring that, yeah, scrapping that question's probably best.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/duncanatrix/408f3d8e.jpg

Date: 2005-01-24 07:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hxcpunkchick.livejournal.com
Actually, I feel that question is a very good one and needs to stay in the application. Sometimes my final decision may be based upon it.
Dumbledore even said that it is our choices that make us who we are. If Harry hadn't said anything, the sorting hat may have very well placed him in Slytherin instead of Gryffindor...

Date: 2005-01-24 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duncanatrix.livejournal.com
Harry never told the hat why he didn't want to be in Slytherin. He probably would have said "I don't want to be a bad wizard! Every bad wizard came from Slytherin!" and had Harry Potter submitted that application here the Slytherins might have said something. What we're taking into account here is an entire community scrutinizing people for entrance, not an impartial chapeau; and while I agree with your "choices make us who we are" statement, we don't want to step on any toes. If the question is kept: is elaboration necessary? That's where the problem lies.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/duncanatrix/408f3d8e.jpg

Date: 2005-01-24 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hxcpunkchick.livejournal.com
It doesn't matter what you say, but somewhere down the line the applicant is stepping on someone's toes. No one's going to agree completely with what someone says. That's the beauty of diversity.I think there is a fine line between house bashing and an honest answer/misguided stereotypes. If someone said that they didn't want to be in Slytherin because they didn't want to be a bad wizard...I wouldn't think they were house bashing. I'd tell them that not all Slytherins are bad.

Date: 2005-01-24 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unwoundfantasy.livejournal.com
Seeing as how this has pretty much already calmed down, and the applicants have edited their applications, there's not much to say.

However, the rules do state that any answer to the "Which house do you feel you don't belong in" question must be validated and not house-bashing. Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to see any of it. It's all already edited. Which brings me to my next point.

It's also stated in the rules to bring situations to a moderator/auror. I.E., me or [livejournal.com profile] jupluna. Making an entire post about this topic could have easily started a flame war, and you would have lost your house points. I know that's not what anyone wants.

In short, bring questions to me. Don't open them for discussion. It's a wanker's dream. :)

Bunny

Date: 2005-01-24 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caitlen.livejournal.com
I have to admit that's a very upsetting thing to happen. It's an application to be admitted into a community. If they're going to be like that, perhaps they shouldn't be allowed to join.

Where should we be drawing a line in the lake?

Date: 2005-01-24 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arienettelondon.livejournal.com
your icon = funniest thing ever.

Date: 2005-01-25 09:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caitlen.livejournal.com
XD thank you :)

It's from [livejournal.com profile] midnighta

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