IT'S NOT FAIR
Jul. 16th, 2005 07:24 pmAlright, for everyone who has finished Year 6, you know what I'm completely talking about.
Now we all knew that Ginny and Harry would get together, even though some of us would rather it not go that way. And then there's the fact that we knew Draco was a bloody coward, but the fact that he was smart enough to get Death Eaters into the school, you have to give him credit. Then there's the fact of the Half-Blood Prince himself, playing both sides of the line, plus making that vow to Narcissa that truly saved Draco's arse.
Now do you think that the governs will keep the school open next year, or do you think they'll actually close it. Do you think Ron and Hermione will return with Ginny, or will they join Harry for the hunt of the Horcrux? Who do you the R.A.B is?
Discussions of Book 6 and Theories on Book 7 welcome.
Now we all knew that Ginny and Harry would get together, even though some of us would rather it not go that way. And then there's the fact that we knew Draco was a bloody coward, but the fact that he was smart enough to get Death Eaters into the school, you have to give him credit. Then there's the fact of the Half-Blood Prince himself, playing both sides of the line, plus making that vow to Narcissa that truly saved Draco's arse.
Now do you think that the governs will keep the school open next year, or do you think they'll actually close it. Do you think Ron and Hermione will return with Ginny, or will they join Harry for the hunt of the Horcrux? Who do you the R.A.B is?
Discussions of Book 6 and Theories on Book 7 welcome.
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Date: 2005-07-17 05:24 pm (UTC)I feel bad for berating the behavior of my own shipmates, but I feel it needs to be said so we all calm down. Here goes.
I admit it. The characters felt really warped. I must admit they were totally different from what I remembered from canon. Or maybe that's because I've read a lot of H/Hr fics so I feel that way? I mean, I wish I could scream and wail like all the other H/Hr fans, and demand to be reimbursed for trauma, canonrape, and OOCness, but honestly, JKR *is* canon, and whatever SHE writes is in character. Whatever we assume of our own accord and/or write in fanfiction is OOC. Unfortunately JKR is right no matter what in the books, so we can't do a damned thing about it.
Some H/Hr fangirls have been indignantly going on and on about how a love potion must be involved, but A) Ginny always seemed to have a good sense of right or wrong, and she knows what it's like to have her mind altered/posessed by thoughts not hers, so I doubt she would use a love potion, B) Can anyone REALLY see JKR writing in a whole book's romance on love potion? It happened with Voldemort's parents, sure, but I find that it would be ridiculously cliche (even for JKR/HP) for a love potion to have been involved for H/G.
Dude, Harry is a teenager and he goes out with a girl he's attracted to for a few weeks. GET OVER IT. I weep for the lack of H/Hr too, but we H/Hr fans want the "in characterness" that HBP apparently lacks, we can go freaking read PoU, okay.
Honestly, we look pretty bad right now, and all the OMGZ CANONRAPE OMGZ OOC comments are driving me mad, because we look even more immature than the gloating Herons, and honestly we don't need that right now. We always have hope in book 7 (although I myself don't hold much more hope), but we dno't need to give the Herons more reason to laugh at us either. Comes on guys, let's all grow some back bone, grow up, and suck it up. Ignore the Herons and we can go on shipping regardless of canon.
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Date: 2005-07-17 05:52 pm (UTC)I've posted a loooong theory in another community (about Snape), but it's in a moderation queue right now. I'll put a link to it later, when it gets posted.
Anyway, I think R.A.B. is Regulus Black, like everyone else thinks. I have pretty much the same reasons in saying that as everyone else does.
I think that they'll keep the school open, but there won't be as many students there, obviously. I think Harry is going to be all talk at first about staying at the Dursley's, but when his birthday rolls around, he'll leave and go to Godric's Hollow and his parents' graves, like he said. He'll probably be lonely in doing this by himself, so he'll return to school with Ron, Hermione, and Ginny in the middle of the term.
Ron, Hermione, and Ginny are too loyal to Harry to let him go on the Horcrux hunt alone. They'll help him, and I'm sure most of the D.A. will help him as well.
I have seen in a lot of communities say that Harry (or his scar) is a Horcrux. I can't say that I disagree with them. Harry is too similar to Voldemort... it has to be true!!
Anyway, once again, J.K. Rowling has answered a lot of questions, but left a bunch unanswered, and she has added some new ones!!
♥-Kristina
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Date: 2005-07-17 05:53 pm (UTC)I don't think we've heard the last of Dumbledore or Sirius...
♥-Kristina
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Date: 2005-07-17 06:28 pm (UTC)As far as ships go, my favorites are still sailing strong. Honestly, I shipped Lupin/Tonks before I even considered shipping S/R and that was only because I enjoyed Shoebox project so much.
Also, I was just thinking before reading this that Sirius must have horribly underestimated his brother if he was the one who stole the horcrux. For one, not only was he brave enough to actually go through with the plan but he found his way onto the island (something Dumbledore said only a powerful wizard could do) and managed to drink the potion on his own (even Dumbledore, the greatest wizard of his time, needed Harry to force most of it down his throat).
I was really surprised by Draco too. I remember thinking before this book came out that he really served no purpose in the books aside from being a thorn in Harry's side. I assumed that he would always be hiding behind mommy and daddy to protect him, and I was actually kind of impressed that he went along with the plan to begin with.
And of course the speculations are already beginning that Snape is still on the side of the light. Afterall, it was kind of perculiar the way him and Dumbledore gazed at eachother for a moment before Snape performed the curse, what with them both being Occlumens. I read somewhere last night about how Dumbledore was probably already dying because of the potion, and would rather Snape killed him then, fulfilling the Unbreakable Vow and keeping the blood off Draco's hands. Also kind of explains why he got so angry when Harry called him a coward.
I have a ton more things to say, but I'll spare everyone for now haha.
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Date: 2005-07-17 06:57 pm (UTC)I am so torn on Snape right now - going back through the books, I believe there is evidence for him to have been with Voldemort this whole time, but on the other, there is also evidence that he's been with Dumbledore. I'm planning to reread it again and see if I can figure out more. I'm hoping there's more to it than just that he's been evil the whole time - Snape has been far too interesting a character for that, and I think JKR is a much better author than that as well.
And the ships... oh the ships. I won't even get started on that, because I'm a huge H/Hr shipper and as you can imagine, I'm not a happy camper today. :( *clings to hope*
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Date: 2005-07-17 06:57 pm (UTC)Also, I'm going to give Snape the benefit of the doubt. I don't think he was an impostor or bewitched, but I think it's quite likely that his actions were necessary in order to keep his cover as a loyal Death Eater. Think about it -- as the wizard who killed Dumbledore, Snape has gained Voldemort's trust -- or rather, as much trust as can be expected from our favorite evil villain. Snape will be able to get closer to Voldemort than ever before. Dumbledore would have known this, and it's quite possible that he gave Snape permission (Snape's quite an accomplished Legilimens, remember) to perform AK on him, for the sake of the greater good.
But then again, I tend to think of Dumbledore as rather omniscient -- if he truly trusted Snape, I'm not about to doubt him. But that could just be blind faith on my part.
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Date: 2005-07-17 11:46 pm (UTC)Wow, too long! Sorry...
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Date: 2005-07-17 07:00 pm (UTC)I liked the way that Ginny/Harry was handled, and while I don't agree with the ending (yeah, like she's never gonna help him out again) I understand his view point on it.
And seriously, I so wanted to stop reading the book. When harry and albus were in the tower and snape burst in, I wanted to stop right there because I had such a bad feeling about what was going to happen. *sigh*
I was seriously pissed off at Severus. I mean, I know he had the vow and everything, but that really really really pissed me off. I think Draco's going to play a relatively important part in the next book, especially with his reluctance to kill, wanting to save his mother etc. He's a prick, but he's not an evil prick you know? So I think he and Harry might have to get over some of their issues and work together.
I also like the idea of the scar as a horcrux. It does make sense in a strange way, especially with the links that Harry has to Voldemort in his head. Although I'm not sure that a living being can house part of another soul, and even if it could, why would Voldemort give his soul to someone he knew would possibly destroy him (a la prophecy) and if not would die and destroy the horcrux? Although the missing piece of the house puzzle intrigues me, with Voldy needing an object of Godric's. Could that be a descendant? I doubt that the sword is really the only thing left from him.
Just a couple of thoughts.....
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Date: 2005-07-17 07:30 pm (UTC)I think JKR was trying to show us the difference between Tom Riddle and Draco Malfoy. Harry's always seen Draco as this obnoxious git, just evil to the core -- when he proved in this book that at HIS core, he is not. He's been TAUGHT the things he 'believes.' He spouts off racial slurs and cut-downs because he's been groomed that way.
Riddle, on the other hand, was never mentally sane. That much is given by the fact that he hung a friggin' rabbit from the rafters. Not to mention whatever he did to those two kids in the cave. Etc, etc. Riddle was inherently evil, and groomed HIMSELF.
I loved that even Harry felt pity for Malfoy... It shows he really IS starting to see everyone as individuals.
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Date: 2005-07-17 07:53 pm (UTC)The R/S ship did not take a blow. The R/S ship ended when Sirius died. Remus has every right to move on, and I personally think that it would be very out of character for him to ask (or agree to) Tonks metamorphing into Sirius. He may be a werewolf, and still mourning Sirius, but really, necrophilia isn't something he'd consider, don't you think?
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Date: 2005-07-17 09:24 pm (UTC)I HATE Snape with a passion. He used to be one of my FAVORITE chracters (and i used to ship Snape/Hermione) but now I can't stand him at all. I cried soooo much when he killed Dumbledore after Dumbledore begged him not to..I think Dumbledore was begging him to do the right thing and not end up heartless like Voldemort. Dumbledore saw ALOT of Voldemort in Snape and tried his hardest to save Snape from going in that direction and he did it anyways and, I felt terrible that Dumbledore had to DIE helping this lost cause.
Dumbledore dying was the hardest thing I've ever had to read. I enjoyed Dumbledore thoroughly in this book, he was so funny and I cried all the way from the scene in the cave to his funural. It was terrible. Poor Dumblydor, all he wanted was some Raspeberry Jam. :'(
JKR ruined my OTP (ADMM) :'(
Remus/Tonks SOOO CUTE!...I was horrified when Harry suggested Tonks/Sirius cuz they're SECOND COUSINS!! >.<
And I was mad about Ron/Hermione in the book but by the end I didn't care about the ships. There were more important things than who Ron/Hermione/Harry end up with (though, GO GINNY/HARRY! WOO!) and, I wasn't mad about it anymore after a while.
Oh well, read HBP in 1 day and now I gotta wait 2 years for the 7th book. >.<
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Date: 2005-07-18 12:57 am (UTC)I was concerned that Lily or James would be turned into Inferi and Harry would be tricked into doing something stupid.
I don't remember learning ANYTHING new about Lily or James.
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Date: 2005-07-18 12:50 am (UTC)Damn, i didn't want him to die. And I was so happy with H/G going on, and now, damn.
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Date: 2005-07-18 01:08 am (UTC)Okay, I admit to being disappointed over the H/G, partly because I was firmly rooting for Harry/Luna (or, pre-OotP, Harry/no one) and Neville/Ginny, but I can live with the swap. (Might I also note that, while reading, I kept on thinking, "Omg, the H/D fans are never going to let that line go... or that one... definitely not that one either....") :) Am slightly disappointed by the Bill/Fleur, as I was rooting for Bill/Tonks, but the Remus/Tonks is just as good :D
Also, I agree - Draco is a coward, but there's no pretending he doesn't have some smarts, nor that this is the first time he's exhibited his brains. It was actually a little brilliant to think of dressing up as a dementor in 3rd year... and I'm sure I could think of more right now if I hadn't gone to sleep at 2:30 am and woken up at 12:20 today -.0;; But man, I was totally thinking at some points that JKR was actually going to follow in true
fangirlfanficplot-twist tradition and bring Draco over to the good guys in the Draco/Dumbledore confrontation scene! :` ::is a little let-out:: Still, good job, Draco, bringing the DE into the school! :D ::pats him on the head:: Such a cuuuute little minion of evil! ^.^ (...and note that I, a Neville fangirl all the way, am saying this ^.^;)I totally think that Snape is still one of the good guys. I mean, just look at the total change in Dumbledore's behaviour between him speaking kindly/bantering with Draco/the other DEs. Paragraph after paragraph of, "You really don't want to do that, do you?" and "Ah! Lovely to see you! ^.^", then Snape shows up and it's suddenly, "Severus, please... Please, Severus," all whiney and everything :\ Dude! It's totally a setup to make the DEs trust Snape more. Dumbledore knew that he probably wouldn't live/was dying from the potion anyway and was asking for Snape to do him in. His insistence that Harry get Snape and not Madam Pomfrey or Slughorn (the obvious other choice, him being the current Potions professor, after all) was that he knew Snape was the only one who would have the guts to kill him. I say that Dumbledore knew exactly what the potion was when he drank it, knew it was going to kill him/cause him perpetual pain until death/turn him traitor/turn him into an Inferi/whatever, and had planned to have Snape kill him, since he didn't want the trauma on Harry's shoulders. Plus he probably knew about Snape's Unbreakable Vow with Narcissa (...that I originally read as "Unspeakable Vow," which totally threw me off -.-;;) and figured he was going to die
this booksoon anyway.Hmm... School stays open, ten to one Harry recants his decision and goes back to Hogwarts. Damn, I've been following the HBP discussions over in
(cont. in comment 'cause was too long -.-;;)
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Date: 2005-07-18 01:08 am (UTC)Mandy's predictions for book 7, after taking book 6 into account:
a) the last horcrux is Rowena's wand, b) R.A.B. = Regulus, and he didn't destroy the locket, it's still at Grimmauld Place (snitched from
Am reminded of my MWPP theory! (it's a good one :D) If Remus dies (which I doubt will happen, as he has acquired Relationship), it will be after Peter dies, BECAUSE... they're dying backwards. See, Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, & Prongs, right? Prongs goes first, then Padfoot, next will be Wormtail, and Moony would be last (to which everyone will tell me that "two does not a trend make" ::sighs::). It's a good theory... really... ::pets her theory::
Right, have rambled for much too long -.-;;
Mandy,
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Date: 2005-07-18 10:16 am (UTC)Anya, Ravenclaw
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Date: 2005-07-18 03:44 pm (UTC)although by the time I finished the book it seemed somewhat unfeasible.
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Date: 2005-07-18 05:19 pm (UTC)Yet another classic blunder.
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Date: 2005-07-18 09:24 pm (UTC)And I think that they will indeed join him on his way. It was to be foreseen, they've always stayed at his side no matter what. I have absolutely no idea about Hogwarts though.
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Date: 2005-07-20 03:04 pm (UTC)Narcissa is a whiny bitch. I wanted to slap the shit out of her in chapter 2. I mean, instead of standing there, whining and crying, I would have been looking for a way to break Lucius out of jail.
I liked Slughorn. I still don't see how Harry talked him into coming back to Hogwarts though. But I was surprised when he was made Potions master, and Snape was finally made Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher. When I read chapter 4, I thought for sure Slughorn would be the new Defense Against The Dark Arts teacher.
Speaking of Defense Against the Dark Arts. We FINALLY find out why that teaching position at Hogwarts is cursed. And I still think it to be a bit odd that Voldermort/Tom Riddle wanted to be a teacher at Hogwarts.
Ron and Lavendar. Meh. I for one would like to find out how they hooked up in the first place. One minute we see Ginny yelling at one about how he's never snogged anyone, next page he's with Lavendar. WTS??
Harry basically telling the Ministry of Magic where to go and how to get there...classic. I swear the Ministry of Magic and that whole department are about as usefull as the Bush administration. Speaking about MoM, Percy is still an ass, and I wish Hermoine and Harry would have let Ron punch him at the end of the book when he wanted to.
Finding out about Tom Riddle/Voldermort was younger was interesting. We only caught a glimpse of his past in CoS, it was good to explore more. Although, I have this Anakin/Vader vibe from it all now...meh. Although we see that basically both of his parents were worthless.
Hermione/Ron. Harry/Ginny. Seriously, was anyone suprised at these pairings at the end. I sure as hell wasn't. We saw Hermine/Ron hold hands in PoA during the meeting Buckbeak scene. Not to mention, during almost the entire series so far, they argued like an old married couple anyway. It just annoyed me that we had to go through all the crap with him sucking face with Lavendar to finally get to that point. As for Harry/Ginny, she's liked him ever since CoS, if I'm not mistaken. Not to mention, he was the one that saved her from Voldermort and the Baskalisk at the end of CoS. And she's his brest friend's sister, etc.
Draco crying in the bathroom made me go "WTS??!!" and "awww" at the same time. We finally get to see Draco in whole new light here. He's not the big bully we've seen him be in the past five books. He's a sixteen year old boy who has to do a job for Voldermort, or risk being killed. I actually felt sorry for him here. My theory on Draco is this, he will help Harry against Voldermort in the next book. We saw Draco vaulnerable when he was deciding to kill Dumbledore. Yes, I said deciding because I think Dumbledore's talking to him while Draco was pointing the wand at him was getting through. I also loved how Dumbledore told Draco that when Lucius gets out of Azakaban, they at Hogwarts will protect him. awwww. Draco knows that by now, both he and his father will suffer the rath of Voldermort. He knows by know what the Dark Wizard is capable of.
Seeing how I was spoiled in another comm, I for one didn't cry when Dumbledore died, because I knew it was going to happen. I didn't cry when Sirius died in book five though either.
I'm still on the fence about Snape and him killing Dumbledore. I'll have to find out what he actually does in the next book to see where Snape's loyalties really lie.
Speaking of the next book, I'm not pleased already. Harry, Hermione, Ron and possibly Ginny not going back to Hogwarts? Yes, I know Dumbledore is dead. I understand and accept that fact. BUT it's not like they can't find a new headmaster. How about McGonnal? Besides wasn't the whole point of the series was to follow Hary though his days at Hogwarts. Hense why we have seven books, for all seven years. If they don't go to Hogwarts in the next book, I'm afraid JK will have jumped the shark.
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